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I am willing to engage in a conversation on this, but I would like someone of Randall Smith's stature to address the role and understanding of the Nota Praevia. When people assert that this Council was...
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Sorry for spamming, but on re-reading the article, I realized that its central argument is completely unsupported, with only a tenuous (and disposable) logical link to Vatican II. Smith asserts that...
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Great point, I think; and good analysis of the reason many want to reduce the clergy to functionaries, so we can all blab on. In the very last line, you appear to summarize what I was finding puzzling...
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Prof. Smith writes, "Do we really want the priest to preach and teach about the Trinity, the Incarnation, the Resurrection of the Body, Salvation, Justification, Sanctification, and our moral duties to...
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The Author Replies — A few notes: 1. The Romans were not entirely indifferent to Christian beliefs, since the Christian refusal to acknowledge the emperor as a “god” (as the first authority in all...
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It is a mistake to see the Council as a result of the spirit of the 60s and the optimism of John XXIII. Both Pius XI and Pius XII considered a sequel to Vatican I. Pius XII set up a Special Preparatory...
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@Murray: Not spam. I was wondering the same thing. In fact, I thought I was "conservative"; but perhaps I'm not a "conservative Catholic". Maybe I'm just an orthodox one or, gasp, a "Papist." - schm0e
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"For this a council was not necessary." That was St John XXIII from his opening address, not me. As for "Spit on the council"? Calm down. Howard Kainz: my comments about optimism are drawn from St John...
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I strongly support Prof. Smith's essay and his reply above. It is quite clear from the comments here and from the many interventions across the web written by those who spare no effort in criticizing...
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Not sparse fruits? Do we live on the same planet? I don't mean to be disrespectful, but how could anyone not admit that all of the leading spiritual indicators are down? Vocations to the priesthood and...
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I cannot tell from the author's response as to whether he was responding to my request that someone like him address the Nota Praevia directly. I do not contest the Council and give assent to it....
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"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the GREAT and FIRST commandment." Mt 22:37-38 "And the SECOND is LIKE it, you shall love...
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@Prof.Smith Your #7. I hope you are not putting Vatican II on the same plain as the Council of Nicea. Nicea was called by Constantine in order to resolve whether Jesus of Nazareth was a Divine Person...
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Manfred has some valid insights. Any Catholic must affirm his allegiance to the Holy See. Without the Holy See we become Protestants. However, we do not need to applaud every disciplinary decision of...
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Lots of problems but more of a change in society than V2. Bringing back TLM and communion rails will help faithful RC but won't stop the exodus in the West. - Paul V
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Four constitutions and 16 documents, actually. The author overlooked the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, the first document to be promulgated. - Bain Wellington
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Thanks Randall, great article. I am in no way a progressive or liberal Catholic, but it seems the more I meet rad-trads and anti-VCII people, the more they annoy me. As for all those making lists of...
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Filipe---The first sentence of your post, more or less, suggests that your stance is 'political' and, therefore, as such, is impervious to truth as 'a priori'. The "fruits" are really not the point!...
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what is the basis for asserting that, the RCC would have been better off without the V2? that is an impossible premise to prove and leads primarily to speculation, dissent and division. we should...
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@eddie too It's not so much that people are arguing that the Church would have been better off without Vatican II, as that Vatican II has had undeniably, empirically disastrous results. This is a...
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